Fem år för Zündel

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Ursprungligen postat av ShinBet

In all fairness, det där sa ju domaren EFTER hon hade Heil Hitlerat och behövts släpas ut skrikande, om jag förstod saken rätt?

"Reflexmässigt"?

Men vad skulle domaren säga? "Ta mej fan, kärringen har rätt! Förbanne mej om jag tänker hålla på och slicka judisk röv!" Nej, just det. Han måste ju hitta på nåt att bortförklara utbrottet med. Jag tycker man kan förstå om damen blev lite frustrerad i sin vanmakt, både som försvarsadvokat och som tyska.

Sidan jag länkade till hade en kort men tankfull kommentar till domstolsdomen: "'I folkets namn!' Men vilket folk?"

[ShinBet]

Ursprungligen postat av Turner

Men vad skulle domaren säga? "Ta mej fan, kärringen har rätt! Förbanne mej om jag tänker hålla på och slicka judisk röv!"

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Sylvia Stolz:

"If my actions bring a little more light into this dark hour for Germany, then I will gladly go to prison! It does not bother me that I am officially ridiculed and insulted by this despicable court and atrocious government... My high and mighty judges, you are convicting yourselves, not me."

http://forum.codoh.info/viewtopic.php?p=31040

Wow.

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Ernst Zündels försvarsadvokat, Sylvia Stolz, fick själv fängelse i det demokratiska Tyskland.



Sylvia Stolz's Last Words in Court

German Patriot Defence Lawyer Sylvia Stolz was sentenced to 3 and-a-half
years in prison and disbarred for 5 years - such is freedom in 'democratic'
Germany.

Below Sylvia's comments to the court.

She says the Court is perverting and repressing the truth with the cudgel of
"Holocaust," making a mockery of justice. Her trial has made clear the
criminal absurdity of prosecuting "Holocaust Denial." How can one deny
something that never existed? She says these entire proceedings began as a
show trial in a kangaroo court and never progressed beyond that point. The
main proceedings were projected with smoke and mirrors and the official
fairy tale of "Holocaust" was enforced by undisguised force. She observes
that the political intent of the Court is the ultimate eradication of the
German Nation and its replacement by a mongrelized and deculturated
population of mindless consumers.

Sylvia says she is confident that she has succeeded in exposing this Court
to the whole world as an agent that is hostile to the German Nation. By
openly and flagrantly violating the law, this Court flees before the truth.
Incessantly, like turning a prayer wheel, it has rejected her every
evidentiary motion with the cynical pretext of "abuse of court
procedure.".....She has hope and faith that the German Nation will some day
bring this treacherous Court to justice.

Sylvia describes how the Defense was forced to accept the contents of the
indictment, and this caused the Court's desired verdict to be the inevitable
consequence. In the absence of material evidence, the Court relied on its
infantile rulings that "Abuse of Procedure = Criminal Act." Thanks to this
judicial sleight of hand, there was no assumption of innocence and the Court
did not have to prove guilt.

Sylvia asks: to what is Grossmann referring when he mentions "domestic
and foreign" court verdicts? Could he be referring to the Nuremberg show
trials? The Allied Military Tribunal was nothing but a postwar Talmudic
Inquisition conducted by Germany's enemies. It featured witnesses
with "built-in credibility" and Jewish testimony that could never be questioned
or authenticated.

She asks: what would people like Grossmann do without the official
obligatory fairy tale of "Holocaust?" Her trial has again demonstrated that
world political powers are players in the "Holocaust" game (or "Holocaust
Industry" as Prof. Norman Finkelstein calls it * he should know, since both
of his parents were interned at Auschwitz during the War.) This explains why
objective historical research is still suppressed, sixty-three years after
the end of the War. As an example of ongoing intellectual repression in
Germany Sylvia refers to the "Hermann Case" in which a popular commentator
was fired for referring to such positive aspects of National Socialism as
its family policy and the construction of Autobahns.

Sylvia demonstrates that the Court's procedural system is very, very simple.
It consists of disallowing all evidentiary motions as "abuse of Court
procedure," which is a criminal act. She says that the District Attorney's
closing tirade was beneath all legal criticism, nothing but purest slander
and abuse.....Then Sylvia shows how powerful interests profit greatly by
inculcating a negative self-image into German society, with their incessant
propaganda and brainwashing. If Germans were as evil as Grossmann depicts
them, they would long ago have skinned him alive.

She points out that under the present Talmudic Inquisition, anyone who calls
attention to the destructive nature of Judaism can be punished. Glenz tells
the Court Reporter to write that remark down as well. Sylvia observes that
today, no one is allowed to say anything the least bit derogatory about
Jews, and yet the necessary first step toward changing and improving
conditions in Germany is recognizing the cause of our malaise. She says that
Horst Mahler's writings provide the proof for this, and she will stand by
this assertion. Glenz orders the Reporter: "Put that in too!"

Sylvia continues and remarks that Germany now stands under the yoke of world
Judaism. Glenz threatens: "We are going to cut off your final address if..." But
Sylvia ignores him and says that following World War II, the real
criminals took over the world. Glenz growls "I'm warning you!" but Sylvia
again urges the public to consider the causes of Germany's plight and
continue gathering and considering the material evidence. She tells the
Court that National Socialism is not dead, regardless of how much Grossmann
and his ilk wish it were dead. She says that National Socialism represents
what is good and enduring in the German spirit. Idealism and patriotism are
rigidly suppressed at this time but they cannot be suppressed forever.

Turning toward Grossmann and the Court, she asks: "Is he German?" Or is he
perhaps related to that Moshe Grossmann who for four years following the end
of World War II continued torturing and murdering German slaves in the East,
as the Jewish author John Sack reports in his book An Eye for an Eye? Then
she turns to the Bench and asks: "What about you -- are you Germans?"
"German" stands for honor and steadfastness! Think of Deutsche Treue!
Nobody can call what is going on in this court as "honorable." In this court,
the only "justice" is inspired by the Talmud!

Sylvia expresses her faith that history will take its inevitable course and
"the truth will win out." She says that since the trial began she has been
prepared for her preordained conviction -- she told them at the beginning
that she knew her verdict was handed down, even before her indictment. To
the Bench she says "And you, my high-and-mighty judges, will never again
experience inner peace... Your depiction of National Socialism as a criminal
system will see to that. You are willing accomplices to the brainwashing and
degradation of the German people.... Adolf Hitler accurately recognized the
Jewish problem, the malevolent power of the Jews in certain respects... Yes,
I share the values of National Socialism!"

Sylvia replies, "If my actions bring a little more light into this dark hour
for Germany, then I will gladly go to prison! It does not bother me that
I am officially ridiculed and insulted by this despicable court and
atrocious government... My high and mighty judges, you are convicting
yourselves, not me."

http://twincities.indymedia.org/news...2751/index.php

[ShinBet]

Intressant. Det hade varit roligare att läsa hennes tal utan kommentarer, men man kan inte få allt.

Zundel kanske skulle hittat en bättre advokat, kanske en karriärhungrig jude.

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Ursprungligen postat av ShinBet

Intressant. Det hade varit roligare att läsa hennes tal utan kommentarer, men man kan inte få allt.

Zundel kanske skulle hittat en bättre advokat, kanske en karriärhungrig jude.

Du missar poängen. Målet var dömt att misslyckas på förhand, vilket Stoltz onekligen lyckats demonstrera.

[ShinBet]

Ursprungligen postat av Turner

Du missar poängen.

Nej, jag förstod att hon avsåg det.

Det hade dock varit mer intressant vad som hade hänt med en judisk advokat. Om inte annat hade denne antagligen inte lyckats få sig själv inburad.

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Glada nyhter om advokat Sylvia Stoltz, som dömts för dom oerhörda brotten i Den nya rättsordningen att (1) säga sanningen och (2) försvara sin klient:

BRD Appeals Court reversed the "verdict" given by the "Inquisitor", judge Rolf Glenz, against Sylvia Stolz, "the German Joan of Arc", imprisoned a year ago in a Heidelberg jail, and sent the matter to the Supreme Court of Mannheim.

http://www.codoh.com/forum/viewtopic...ighlight=stolz

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Zündel intervjuas av "israelisk" journalist:

An Israeli Journalist interviews ERNST ZUNDEL
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVkp9...x=0&playnext=1

Zûndel intervjuar judisk "Förintesleförnekare":

A Jew defends Hitler
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=purWm...eature=related

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Ursprungligen postat av Turner

Glada nyhter om advokat Sylvia Stoltz, som dömts för dom oerhörda brotten i Den nya rättsordningen att (1) säga sanningen och (2) försvara sin klient:

BRD Appeals Court reversed the "verdict" given by the "Inquisitor", judge Rolf Glenz, against Sylvia Stolz, "the German Joan of Arc", imprisoned a year ago in a Heidelberg jail, and sent the matter to the Supreme Court of Mannheim.

http://www.codoh.com/forum/viewtopic...ighlight=stolz

Fänelsestraffet reducerades tre månader, yrkesförbudet kvarstår.

Wikipedia - Sylvia Stolz
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sylvia_Stolz

[ShinBet]

Tydligen är ord väldigt farliga...

[Obi-Wan]

Man borde ju faktiskt respektera att hennes jobb faktiskt var att just försvara Zündel, och har vi valt ett system där alla har rätt till en försvarare, måste vi acceptera att en advokat kan säga sådant i sin yrkesutövning om så situationen kräver.

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Zündel är ute!

Ernst Zundel, Europe's most famous political Prisoner of Conscience, has been released from Mannheim Prison this morning, March 1st.
http://zundelsite.org/

[ShinBet]

Bra det.

Vågar man hoppas att hans argument blir bemötta nu, istället för att man känner behov av att låsa in honom?

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Ursprungligen postat av ShinBet

Bra det.

Vågar man hoppas att hans argument blir bemötta nu, istället för att man känner behov av att låsa in honom?

Det tror jag knappast, det sitter ju fortfarande en hel drös revisionister i fängelse. Zundel råkade bara ha en viss kändisstatus. Enl uppgift har Tyskland fler politiska fångar än DDR på sin tid.

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Ursprungligen postat av Turner

Det tror jag knappast, det sitter ju fortfarande en hel drös revisionister i fängelse. Zundel råkade bara ha en viss kändisstatus. Enl uppgift har Tyskland fler politiska fångar än DDR på sin tid.

Det sista tror jag nog inte så mycket på, även om man naturligtvis kan räkna kreativt och inkludera folk som är dömda för hatbrott i form turkmisshandel och annat. "hatbrott" är även det en underlig brottsskärpning, men jag tror att det är svårt att få misshandel att räknas som ett politiskt brott.

Det vore intressant att veta hur de räknat i alla fall.

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Ursprungligen postat av ShinBet

Det sista tror jag nog inte så mycket på, även om man naturligtvis kan räkna kreativt och inkludera folk som är dömda för hatbrott i form turkmisshandel och annat. "hatbrott" är även det en underlig brottsskärpning, men jag tror att det är svårt att få misshandel att räknas som ett politiskt brott.

Det vore intressant att veta hur de räknat i alla fall.

Thought Barriers instead of Discussion

To defame the Revisionists as right-wing extremists has nothing to do either with a proper appraisal of their work nor with the necessary critical discussions within science and research. In my opinion it is politically motivated. The motto is equally simple as effective: Make your political opponents contemptible instead of respecting them with counterarguments, and so establish your position in a broad spectrum as the single power to be acknowledged. Certainly, what is left behind is the oft-praised democratic order in which a free development of political opinion is guaranteed. Horst Mahler, the defense counsel of the Red Army Faction terrorists, said recently, "In France it is calculated that today in Germany there are more political prisoners than in the DDR in the year before it collapsed." This is a shocking indicator of the state of freedom of expression in this country.
http://www.vho.org/GB/c/NordbruchNZZ120699.html

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Ursprungligen postat av Turner

Thought Barriers instead of Discussion

To defame the Revisionists as right-wing extremists has nothing to do either with a proper appraisal of their work nor with the necessary critical discussions within science and research. In my opinion it is politically motivated. The motto is equally simple as effective: Make your political opponents contemptible instead of respecting them with counterarguments, and so establish your position in a broad spectrum as the single power to be acknowledged. Certainly, what is left behind is the oft-praised democratic order in which a free development of political opinion is guaranteed. Horst Mahler, the defense counsel of the Red Army Faction terrorists, said recently, "In France it is calculated that today in Germany there are more political prisoners than in the DDR in the year before it collapsed." This is a shocking indicator of the state of freedom of expression in this country.
http://www.vho.org/GB/c/NordbruchNZZ120699.html

Jo jag hittade ett liknande stycke via Google, men tyvärr är det ju inte vidare förklarande när det gäller hur de har räknat, eller hur många politiska fångar DDR hade året innan Die Wende.

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Första intevjun:

Ernst Zundel Speaks Out
An exclusive interview with one of Europe's most well-known political prisoners
http://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/...eaks-out/all/1